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R_Frost · Nov 12, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

FYI information, the latest numbers from an A-net news release are 5 million copies sold. That's across three campaigns. I dont know about you, but I bought all three campaigns and have two other accounts that have been given to me by friends that quit.

Assuming all people bought all three campaigns and were all playing shortly after Nightfall, at it's "peak" it had 1.667M players. And let's not kid ourselves here, many of those that bought GW and Factions didn't even bother with Nightfall and quit long before it was released.

Yes, GW is dying. Why do you think all the servers have been combined?

lets not forget too that before character slots could be bought many had 2 or more accounts. in my house theres 2 of us that have played since 2005 and are now down to logging in once or twice a week if we feel like it. we have 2 full accounts with all 3 games + EoTN. i also have an account with just the 3 games no EoTN that i now let my 7 year old use when he earns playing time and another account with just the first 2 games that has been nothing more then my luckiest when it comes to minipets( when it turned 2 i got 2 lich's between 6 characters). i use to play my 2nd account about equal time as my first account til character slots came availible and i rolled the characters to my main account. i would bet at the peak guild wars had just over 2 million players total and based on my maxed out friends list, that by the time i trimmed my playing time back, was looking pretty dead most of the time, i would bet theres 200k-300k playing. with about a 1/3 of that only logging in on big event weekends. i think the delay on GW2 from the first release date that came out when EoTN was near release and no new content is the biggest reason for the decline

Master Ketsu · Nov 12, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Oh, they're losing a lot of people.

They're losing PvP players who are tired of this unbalanced game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet dumbing down the game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet catering to the bad players who think they deserve everything. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of end game content. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of new content.

/seconded x1000, and unless this weeks update is jaw dropping I will be joining their ranks.

Every half decent pvp player knows the noob/pro skill-gap has closed by a mile ever since Nightfall came out, and that only a total skill overhaul can fix it....which Anet has failed to do. The Meta has been rotting in its own filth for far too long. Players get tired of it, and leave.

I'm amazed at the people who were satisfied with the last couple of months 4~5 skill so-called "balance updates". Especially last weeks. Fixing one or two borked skills...while leaving 200 others that were just as borked alone ...is not what you call a balance update. That's what you call a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joke.

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Nov 12, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

/seconded x1000, and unless this weeks update is jaw dropping I will be joining their ranks.

This week's update will be moar epic than the release of WotLK.

masterjer1 · Nov 12, 2008, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Another doomsday thread. More people are leaving than joining. Go to the store and look to see if GW is even still on the shelves. If it is, notice how many copies are still on shelf and the price. Not long ago Target was selling EotN for only $10, and now they don't carry it anymore. But for more on a related subject, check out this link. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10332831

street peddler · Nov 12, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

ill be back when GW2 comes out.

Perkunas · Nov 12, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

I had been away from the game and the forums since July(08). Came back to game a week ago and the forums tonight. There are fewer people in game, but it seems they are for the most part, getting along better than they had in awhile. Even if asked to Ping, nobody is being told to change this or that (at least as far as I have experienced.) Groups are not that hard to get or join. I am actually having fun again with the game.

As for the forums, still talking about the death of GW, still waiting for GW2.

Have a nice night.

Scattered Dose · Nov 12, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

That doesn't mean it stops costing them money to run their severs 24/7. And they are STILL turning a profit every quarter, which means enough new people (or people buying new expansions/accounts) for them to cover expenses.

While they may be on a decline since it is an older game after all, I'd never judge GW as anything other then a phenominal, unexpected success.

Edit: And if you go on any Warhammer boards Arkonas you will already see "OMG Warhammer is dying" posts on their boards too!!! They are having a mini exodus as the 30 day free subscription has expired and many people did not renew. Honestly, boards are melodramatic. GW has been dying since 2005, just like Warhammer is apparently already dying. Get over it.

100% with this post, you wont see it ingame either, its always just the forumdramatrolls who keep bringing all this stuff up, ive seen it in every game

Shasgaliel · Nov 12, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by masterjer1

Another doomsday thread. More people are leaving than joining. Go to the store and look to see if GW is even still on the shelves. If it is, notice how many copies are still on shelf and the price. Not long ago Target was selling EotN for only $10, and now they don't carry it anymore. But for more on a related subject, check out this link. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10332831

Depends where, here in Belgium there are more copies of GW displayed on shelfs than any other game and they are quite expensive. I guess it is not dying here. To the contrary.

NiukNiuk · Nov 12, 2008, 08:58 AM // 08:58

GW may be losing people (like every other "old" game I think), I may have 90% of my friend list composed of people that leaved the game now, but gw did pretty well IMO:
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6200947.html

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To date, 5.59 million people have activated accounts for the Seoul-based publisher's free to play MMORPG Guild Wars.

Wrath of m0o · Nov 12, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Yea...you don't need sources to claim that the game has lost a shitton of players. You have to be stupid to think the game isn't dying.

Call me stupid, We dont even know yet if GW2 will support GW1 with the HoM, who knows..GW2 might make players go back to GW1 to unlock things for GW2. New Guildwars players might be like, well crap..i have to buy GW1 to get all the cool stuff this guy from GW1 has.
Who knows...we dont know yet. The fact that even i quit Guild Wars when Factions was released and came back at Nightfall, after i completed it and wanted Animate Flesh Golem for my Minnion Master. My main character is now a Factions character and my main title bearer. You can get sick of this game..and come back to it and still enjoy it, much like i still play Starcraft every two years or so when i get bored.
To say that GW is dying is mere rubbish. I have lots of people that log on after long breaks from the game, to send me a pm and say "Hey..you remember me?", and im like umm...not really can you tell me what we did together? "Ya..we used to B/P in tombs..we were the first ones to bring an orders necro..remember now?" Its times like that that keep me playing, my friends list changes and i make new friends and reaquaint with old friends. I cant do that with games i no longer pay for.

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

And I'm tired of people saying games like GW can't be dead or no new content caused it to die. This is a bit off topic...but...imagine a game where constant new content isn't needed and replayability lasts over a longer period of time...perhaps a competitive game? Eh Guild Wars was never THAT though...

GW not competitive?
You wouldnt know competitive if it punched you in the face!
HA-TA-RA-GvG-AB ?
This is the most complex competitive game there is.
I belive the designers used PvE as a learning curve to train players to compete in PvP. True, if you just buy GW's and jump into PvP your going to get your butt stomped and be like what the heck am i doing wrong? This is where knowing what classes do what, and what skills counter what, and most of us learned all this by playing through the game multiple times with multiple characters. I have played 11k hours now and im still learning. I cant fathom that you can say that GW isnt competitive.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 12, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by snaek

theres a difference between profit and revenue
do u kno how much it takes to fund servers for 12million ppl?

Not 150 million dollars per month, that's for sure.

Just the sales of the basic game will have covered the cost of running the servers indefinitely (10 million copies times 20 dollars per game for Blizzard, minus at most 100 million in development cost = 100 million dolllars. That's a lot of server time. A L O T.)
Basically the monthly fees are pure profit for Blizzard. I've often wondered what they do with all the money, they don't seem to be developing WoW2 yet and there's only so many corporate jets you can buy before it gets stale.

I've never understood why people feel the need to apologize for Blizzard making immense profit. They do because they can, it's what it's all about.

Also, to the person who said that WoW is having it's own share of "WoW is dying!" posts... WoW subscription numbers are no longer growing but have levelled off, but it'll still be going for many years.

Darkobra · Nov 12, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Arkantos has a point. The reason I quit was because I'd seen it all, done it all. I enjoyed my time on GW, but GW:EN was a horrible expansion and left quite a bitter taste in my mouth. It's like getting through a hot fudge sundae only to find rat piss floating at the bottom of it.

Still, I'm holding high hopes from GW2, where they claimed to have learned from their mistakes.

Fril Estelin · Nov 12, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Basically the monthly fees are pure profit for Blizzard.

To be exact and accurate, I could only find two interesting bit of similar news (from a reputable source, I've discarded many others) where Blizzard revealed their costs, including paying staff:

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/...ce_2004-2.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...s-huge-profits

200millions$ in 4 years! Unbelievable, margin profit of near 200% in millions of dollars!?! (very very rought estimates: [1 million over 4 years to account for the current 11 and the fact that they started low] x 4 x 12months x [10dollars to take a low estimate] =~ 5x10power8 = half a billion dollars )

For that amount of money, now I think WoW is not value for money at all (I think GW is better value for money over the years), or as the inquirer says "milking a cash elephant".

Numa Pompilius · Nov 12, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

WoW is not value for money at all

Well, it's worth whatever people are willing to pay, and people are apparently willing to pay $40 for the game followed by $15 per month for years on end.
Half a billion is IMO a very low estimate, but you can't really blame Blizzard for making a pharmaceutical-company-sized profit: they're simply enormously successful.

Master Ketsu · Nov 12, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Word of advice: if you quit GW, don't bother with WoW. The gameplay in WoW is worse and the only reason its more popular is because there is simply more of it and the grinding is designed to consume time without letting you realize it. Its a carrot on a stick.

DreamWind · Nov 12, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Call me stupid, We dont even know yet if GW2 will support GW1 with the HoM, who knows..GW2 might make players go back to GW1 to unlock things for GW2. New Guildwars players might be like, well crap..i have to buy GW1 to get all the cool stuff this guy from GW1 has.
Who knows...we dont know yet.

Actually I thought this was already announced...?

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

You can get sick of this game..and come back to it and still enjoy it, much like i still play Starcraft every two years or so when i get bored.
To say that GW is dying is mere rubbish. I have lots of people that log on after long breaks from the game, to send me a pm and say "Hey..you remember me?", and im like umm...not really can you tell me what we did together? "Ya..we used to B/P in tombs..we were the first ones to bring an orders necro..remember now?" Its times like that that keep me playing, my friends list changes and i make new friends and reaquaint with old friends. I cant do that with games i no longer pay for.

Eh...so you log on once in a while. So what? The game is still losing people and I still think anybody would be crazy to deny that.

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Originally Posted by Wrath of M0o

GW not competitive?
You wouldnt know competitive if it punched you in the face!
HA-TA-RA-GvG-AB ?
This is the most complex competitive game there is.
I cant fathom that you can say that GW isnt competitive.

My bad...I should have said competitive DRIVEN/FOCUSED game. My apology.

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Originally Posted by Master of Ketsu

Word of advice: if you quit GW, don't bother with WoW. The gameplay in WoW is worse and the only reason its more popular is because there is simply more of it and the grinding is designed to consume time without letting you realize it. Its a carrot on a stick.

Is that true really? I want an honest WoW opinion because I never really played it extensively. Its one of those games people either hate or love I rarely hear in between. I just know I've lost several friends to it and I call them all tards for paying 15 bucks a month to shack up in their house.

Arkantos · Nov 12, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I know many people who have quit GW for WoW and liked it, and many who have quit GW for WoW and didn't like it. You can read up on WoW, you can ask people for their opinions, but in the end, you need to try it out yourself.

Reverend Dr · Nov 12, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

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Oh, they're losing a lot of people.

They're losing PvP players who are tired of this unbalanced game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet dumbing down the game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet catering to the bad players who think they deserve everything. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of end game content. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of new content.

/seconded x1000, and unless this weeks update is jaw dropping I will be joining their ranks.

Every half decent pvp player knows the noob/pro skill-gap has closed by a mile ever since Nightfall came out, and that only a total skill overhaul can fix it....which Anet has failed to do. The Meta has been rotting in its own filth for far too long. Players get tired of it, and leave.

I'm amazed at the people who were satisfied with the last couple of months 4~5 skill so-called "balance updates". Especially last weeks. Fixing one or two borked skills...while leaving 200 others that were just as borked alone ...is not what you call a balance update. That's what you call a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joke.

This is largely my feelings on the issue.

In the same mindset as this sentiment, Why are we comparing GW to WOW or WAR, why are we not comparing it to CS, TF2, or even Starcraft?

GW was designed to be competitive. The end-game was designed to be PvP, not high-end raid dungeon-timesinks. The bulk of the GW playing was designed to be like the bulk of CS, TF2, or Starcraft playing.

Darkobra · Nov 12, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Is that true really? I want an honest WoW opinion because I never really played it extensively. Its one of those games people either hate or love I rarely hear in between. I just know I've lost several friends to it and I call them all tards for paying 15 bucks a month to shack up in their house.

It's a gear based game designed to eat your money, your time and your social life. How people get addicted to a linear story with such thought invoking chat such as "anal (insert item or skill here)" every 0.2 seconds in trade chat that takes no form of skill and your dungeon groups emphasise the "no skill" part is really beyond me.

Still, if you actually enjoy hearing teenagers call each other failures at a game because their gear is worse than their own, you're welcome to give it a shot. Go on to their forums, look around. You'll get your answer. Not a bad single player, though.

AKB48 · Nov 13, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Still, if you actually enjoy hearing teenagers call each other failures at a game because their gear is worse than their own, you're welcome to give it a shot. Go on to their forums, look around. You'll get your answer. Not a bad single player, though.

And that's what GW really is too, people calling each other n00bs because the other dude got killed. This is stupid 'cause the real n00bs are the people who call others n00bs, they are the ones who lack a life and they are the ones who lack "human intelligence".(no, just human intelligence, they got the animal part of that down dam good if you ask me)